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  • Yes, but more specifically the stage of capitalism known as imperialism. Imperialism is the economic inevitability of late-stage capitalist countries, which includes the export of capital and the division of the world along imperialist lines. The US Empire is the current world hegemon, but imperialism also has forces that work against its existence in the imperialized countries, which is accelerating the decline of the US.




  • You’re implying several things here:

    1. The PRC would have imprisoned just as many people as the US, except the people starved to death.

    2. Premise 1 requires everyone to have starved to have been meant for imprisonment

    3. Premise 1 and 2 are comparisons of the prisons of a developed country to the living conditions of a rapidly developing country lifting itself out of feudalism.

    This isn’t a rational argument! I already said you had a hypothesis you wanted to test, but you keep pretending it has valid conclusions despite not doing the legwork!


  • Nah, I don’t retract my statement. Everyone who read this post knows about the Great Chinese Famine. Nobody is unaware of it. The point of the post is that the PRC is, in general, less willing to willy-nilly imprispn people, which is true, and reflected both during the Cultural Revolution and today. The point isn’t to paint the PRC as a paradise, but to show that even during difficult times, the PRC was less inclined to mass-imprison people than the US Empire is, which is correct, and you came here trying to make it seem like it was a bad thing.

    I think it’s rather chauvanistic to try to say it’s better to live imprisoned in a developed country than non-imprisoned in a developing country, a developing country that managed to double life expectancy under Mao even when famine was included thanks to the rapid development and dramatic improvements in equality and social services.


  • The only purpose of your comment was to be a contrarion, and an anti-communist. Again, you have a hypothesis, but no proof, inequality was far lower in the PRC than the US and as such the idea of the most impoverished being hit isn’t really as accurate. There wasn’t the same instrument where the impoverished are driven to crime out of desparation that exists in the US, while there was still poverty in the PRC, it was far more even.

    Again, you have a hypothesis, but no proof.










  • Cool, as I said I have spoken to people who look fondly upon it, as well as other Socialist systems. Plus, I have done a great deal of research on these systems beyond simple anecdotes. Marxists tend to support Socialist countries like the USSR, and I’m a Marxist-Leninist. I don’t just “glaze” Socialist countries, I contextualize them and give reasons why I support them, and why I want to create a system similar to them in my country.


  • Doesn’t matter. I have spoken to people from the Soviet Union. I don’t personally need to be from the Soviet Union to read on its history, or the devaststion that came from its dissolution, and you saying you or someone you knew was from it doesn’t invalidate those I have spoken to and the research I’ve done. It’s lazy, anecdotes matter very little in the face of hard metrics and facts.



  • No, this is wrong. An economic system is a physical thing, it isn’t a group of ideas everyone agrees to follow. People can break laws and whatnot, but fundamentally the system is a physical thing. Your analysis is Idealist, not Materialist.

    The CPC does acknowledge problems with the Great Chinese Famine, but you trying to pin it entirely on the CPC is wrong, as well as the idea that the CPC didn’t incarcerate as many people per capita is because of the famine. This is nonsense. Most countries do not imprison nearly as many people as the US does, and the PRC isn’t different in that respect.



  • It’s the system that determines how its run, not the people at the top. Your analysis is teetering into Great Man Theory territory, which is derived from Idealism, not Materialism. The mode of production is primary.

    Secondly, yes, the government is responsible. Is the government also responsible for drought, though? What should be judged is that, as I stated, food production was dramatically improved, and the government eliminated famine in a country where famine was common prior to Socialism.

    For what it’s worth, capitalism is progressive compared to feudalism, but regressive as compared to socialism.
















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